Good evening – you can turn in your bibles to the 14th chapter of the gospel Luke.


Once again Tonight’s message as an introduction - we are going to look at some more principles about the substitutionary spiritual death and how it relates to us in living the Spiritual life.


As we have noted: even the believer could be living in spiritual death and sadly so many of God’s children are doing that today.


What we will see is how the natural minded believer and unbeliever will often limit God.


When we are not in fellowship and living the spiritual life we are consider to be like a cancer to the body of Christ and we have a lot of cancer in the body and it can be contagious…

----it is contagious and we have to be very cautious to identify the signs and signals of living in spiritual death according to what the bible – God’s word has to say and warns us about.


The issue we have to realize is: Do not ever put God in a box and limit the limitless God!


Now we saw this with our friend - Nicodemus, and although – he was moral and religious, --- he was a “good person” – in spite of that -- he was having a very difficult time understanding all of this.


One of the things we are being taught here is to Beware of the danger of trying to go on with a personal relationship with God before being prepared to do so.


Let’s see how our Lord puts it beginning in Luke 14:28.

This is our Lord telling us how a right thing must be done in a right way and we will see how this applies to us as His disciples…


Beginning with LUK 14:28 "For which one of you, when he wants to build a tower, does not first sit down and calculate the cost, to see if he has enough to complete it?


LUK 14:29 "Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation, and is not able to finish, all who observe it begin to ridicule him,


LUK 14:30 saying, 'This man began to build and was not able to finish.'


LUK 14:31 "Or what king, when he sets out to meet another king in battle, will not first sit down and take counsel whether he is strong enough with ten thousand {men} to encounter the one coming against him with twenty thousand?


LUK 14:32 "Or else, while the other is still far away, he sends a delegation and asks terms of peace.


LUK 14:33 "So therefore, no one of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions.


Now, here we are referring to Nicodemus and the unbeliever - trying to live a godly life - without being born again.



However, there is also an application to the believer who tries to live the Christian life without the power to do so.


Nicodemus was a man who was trying to go on before he started.


Here is a point at which Satan very frequently misleads this particular type of person.


What type of person?

The type of person who has been brought up in a religious atmosphere.


Our Lord makes it crystal clear in John 3:3 to the religious person that unless a man be born again he cannot even see the kingdom of God, let alone enter it!


You can't begin to grow and discover what is necessary to stimulate growth and development unless the seed of life has been planted within you.


It is the danger of trying to apply Christian truth before there is any Christian life.


This was the story of Martin Luther.


He assumed that as a Roman Catholic he had a right relationship with God.


He was very dissatisfied so he became a monk.


A monk was one who took a religious vow of poverty, a religious hermit.


Then of course he came to that critical understanding that he had been taught wrongly and that the just shall live by faith.


His great problem was that of justification, he thought it was sanctification.


He was concentrating on how to live holier but he had never experienced salvation.


He thought his infant baptism had given him new life, etc.


He assumed that he was a Christian simply because he was brought up in a Christian or religious environment.


There are basically two types of teaching in the religious realm;


  1. Religion basis our justification on our sanctification.
  2. The other basis our sanctification upon our justification.


Martin Luther upset Catholicism so much that a contract was put out on his life and after months of living in fear and hiding for his life, he finally got sick of the whole thing and wrote that very famous hymn, "A mighty fortress is our God".


What I'm trying to say is that there is a danger in thinking of Christianity in terms of ideas which we are to apply rather than in terms of life.


Christianity is a new birth!


Christianity is a new life!


It is not an informed mind but a transformed mind.


This is why ROM 12:2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.


COL 3:2 Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth.


Our Lord makes this all clear in John 3:6.


JOH 3:6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."






We are now studying our subject concerning how our Lord used the sword of the Spirit or the Word of God as manifested in:


"The Doctrine of the Substitutionary Spiritual Death of Jesus Christ."


This doctrine has always been a favorite of ours, btw.


He was our substitute – another words - He went through that death for us - in our place -- so that we never have to go through that kind of death – all we have to do is believe upon Him and we shall be born again – this time – born spiritual alive. –


---And that death is one of the most wicked deaths of all - because of the fact that -- it means separation from God --and in the eternal state - that is something that never changes - it will always be there.


Sometimes people say – well why doesn’t God just – you know – just - get rid of the individuals that He created -and just let them not exist after death….


-----Well the answer to that is this -- when God gives life --He cannot take it back --  And when He gave man life - He gave everlasting life – that everlasting life can be changed to - eternal life…


-- Now I asked my dad about that – the difference between everlasting life and eternal life and here is what he said he means by his statement:

--- The difference between everlasting life is that: Everlasting life has a beginning but no end. (– no end to the hell he is going to live in --- where as) Eternal life - is life with God and it has no beginning and no end. --- it is eternal life…


--- unbelievers have everlasting life – they have a beginning and no end -- and eternal life is the life of God -- which means - it existed in eternity past and now --and it will always exist because  – it is eternal life from God with no beginning and no end.


When we become born again – we are now in union with Christ and Christ is eternal life – He has no beginning and no end – He always was…and always is eternal as are we in Him.

Positional truth – this is the meat of the doctrines of positional truth – we are in union with Christ –


And I have a few definitions for you of positional truth because we always need to understand and be reminded of our positional truth---

The first positional truth is called “current positional truth”


  1. Current positional truth is identification with Christ as He is seated at the right hand of God the Father in His resurrection, ascension, and session.


Identification with His spiritual death means

rejection of human good and evil.


Identification with His physical death means separation from human good and evil.


Identification with his burial means divorce from human good and evil.


Than we have 2. Positional Truth - the Church-age believer in Christ is positionally superior to all angels, including the chief fallen angel, Satan because of their union with Christ, HEB 1:4,13-14, 2:9-11.


It is in our position in Christ that God sees us, and it is how we are to view ourselves.


We are not to dwell on our condition!

Positional truth is equivalent to positional sanctification in which God the Father is completely satisfied with the work of Christ on the cross.

It is composed of retroactive positional truth (which we will see next) and current positional truth. – we just saw that was - identification with Christ as He is seated at the right hand of God the Father in His resurrection, ascension, and session.


Positional truth is our guaranteed relationship with

Christ in the Church-age, and it is the key to understanding the Church-age and the royal family.


It is the basis for distinguishing between Christianity and religion, and it is the truth concerning the born-again believer who has been entered into union with Christ by means of the baptism of the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation. and this is going to be very important to note and keep in mind - in this study.


Thirdly – we just mentioned it – we have:   3. Retroactive positional truth (which) means to be identified with Christ in His death and burial.


This position divorces the believer from sin and evil as well as the power of the old sin nature because he is crucified and buried with Christ, ROM 6:4,6.


Not only is the believer identified with Christ in death and burial, but also in resurrection, ascension, and session [current positional truth] as God replaces the old position [retroactive] with the new position [current], EPH 2:6.


So now we understand positional truth and we know that -- The eternal state never changes -- it has always been and it will always be.


We should not get hooked on -semantics – especially -when we are studying subjects such as this.


-- So - if God just stopped the human race from existing because -- they did not believe in Him -- than that would mean that -- the free will would no longer be an issue.


--- Mankind is responsible for whatever decision heshe makes – is it going to be -- everlasting life in hell - or eternal life with God.


Again - everlasting life always refers to the unbeliever – a beginning no end --- in hell -- and eternal life has no beginning and no end – and it refers to the believer living eternally with God – there is an explanation or reference to this in  -- REV 21 & 22 - Let the one be filthy be filthy still… let the one who is fearful still be fearful…


We can’t get hooked on semantics here and we can’t limit God with these principles.


Semantics is the study of the meaning of words, phrases and sentences. ... Linguistic semantics deals with the conventional meaning conveyed by the use of words, phrases and sentences of a language.


We see these principles in the study of the Doctrine of the Open Door – our PT did in 2010. – if you want to learn more about it – you can check that doctrine out.


Many pastors have erroneous Biblical concepts that lead to false doctrinal assumptions, - that they simply refuse to deal with. ---

This has to deal with, either willful inconsistencies from their double-mindedness of making an issue out of

accuracy, on the one hand, or they get hooked on semantics.

And we’re going to deal with one of these - false assumptions - this evening…



So let’s use our spiritual binoculars – our positional truth - with this study – .


Point 1 was the beginning of our subject which Point 1 deals with the Categories of Spiritual Death.


There are basically two categories of spiritual death.


1.a.  Real spiritual death, which is separation from God in a state of sin which applies to all mankind with the exception of TLJC.


TLJC - Who was born of a virgin – which meant that – in this case - the male species did not pass down a sin nature – because – there was no male species involved with the conception of our Lord…- and it is the male species that passes down the sin nature.


Our Lord did not have an earthly father and – He had an earthly mother - but not a legitimate earthly father – that’s why - Mary was impregnated by the Holy Spirit.


Our Lord came into the earth just like Adam – without a sin nature – the difference between Adam and the Lord of course -- was that Adam - could not perpetuate that particular status of perfection - but our Lord Jesus Christ was – of course - able to do so…


---and that’s why we have the importance of the doctrine of the impeccability of the Lord Jesus Christ - and how He kept Himself pure.


The doctrine of impeccability is that Jesus never sinned – even after all that was done to Him through the cross and the sufferings that lead to His cross – He was able to keep Himself pure.


So - as we have been noting - we were born physically alive but really spiritually dead and that’s the issue with JOH 3.


The 2nd category is 2. b.  Substitutionary spiritual death, which is separation from God in a state of perfection and impeccability.  This applies only to our Lord Jesus Christ.


Being sinless – being impeccable - where there was not even one negative thought - found in His mind… not only did He not have any sins of the tongue - or overt sins – but He did not have one mental attitude sin either… - and if anyone was tempted to have mental attitude sins - it would have been Him – especially after all that we just saw with the cross and the prophesies of the cross. –

And---While they were punching Him in the face and plucking out His beard -- He was praying Father – forgive them - for they do not know what they do…


So SSD means your separated from God - even though you are perfect - even though you are impeccable – and it applies to only one member of the human race - and that is TLJC.


And with that in mind we have begun to note that If we are ever going to understand why our Lord had to die a spiritual death upon the cross, which means separation from God, then we need to understand what spiritual death means to us.


This is the story behind that famous passage in Joh 3 – beginning with verse 1 - which we began to note last Friday - that teaches - we must be born again.


For in JOH 3:1 (we read)  Now there was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews;


JOH 3:2  this man came to Him by night, and said to Him, "Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him."


Now, Nicodemus is so confused that the Lord interrupts him in verse 3 with a very important principle.


JOH 3:3  Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."


The interruption was well timed, and the Lord Jesus Christ comes right to the point (as a communicator should) and He pulled no punches.


Remember GAL 4:16 tells us that - if a communicator does his job - and communicates to you truth – there are going to be times where - you’re going to consider him an enemy – like Paul said – have I become your enemy because I tell you the truth.


The Lord Jesus Christ always comes right to the point – He always tells the truth and He pulls no punches.


So - He said "You will never see (notice the word – “see”)  the kingdom of God unless you are born again."

They can’t even see what the kingdom of God is all about --- never mind enter it--- until they are born again.


Remember - He is talking to a man who is very proud of all his accomplishment - and all his merit badges - and yet Jesus insults him by saying this.



This is a perfect illustration of a religious man's blindness to spiritual truth.


Nicodemus is a religious person - who is arrogant and his arrogance causes him - to be ignorant…blind…


So Nicodemus said to him: -- He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?"

He’s talking about what kind of birth?  -- A natural one -- not the spiritual one.


The principle here is this: Without a human spirit, our friends, family and relations are incapable of understanding spiritual phenomena.

If we don’t have a human spirit – we are incapable of understanding spiritual things.


Now – the exception to this –and here’s how mankind can become born again and saved – because - someone can say this – well if I can’t understand spiritual phenomena – spiritual information – than how can I become born again and saved???

– which is a great question to ask – and here is the principle: -- turn now to 1 Corinthians chapter 2 and I’ll show you - what the bible has to actually say - about the human spirit - and that which - mankind is actually given the privilege of having - when the gospel information is being communicated.


We cannot understand spiritual phenomena when we are spiritually dead but here is an exception:

The exception to this is when God the Holy Spirit acts as a human spirit and makes gospel information known to the unbeliever, this is recorded in 1Co 2:9-14.


How does the unbeliever understand spiritual phenomena? – because - there is a time – that in the grace of God – remember - the bible says that in God’s grace - He calls us – so God operates as a human spirit – the Holy Spirit operates as a human spirit - so that the unbeliever can actually look into the word of God - and become born again and saved by understanding that spiritual information - being brought out by God the Holy Spirit.


That’s the story behind 1 Corinthians 2 – let’s begin with verse 9.


The apostle Paul says 1Co 2:9 but just as it is written, (now he quotes a passage from the old testament) "Things which eye has not seen and (things)ear has not heard, And (things) {which} have not entered the heart (the right lobe) of man(where he does his thinking), All (these things) that God has prepared for those who love Him."


1CO 2:10  For to us God revealed {them} (through what?)through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, (a reference to God the Holy Spirit because the unbeliever doesn’t have a human spirit -but the Spirit searches all things -) even the depths of God.


1CO 2:11 For who among men knows the {thoughts} of a man except the spirit of the man, which is in him? (another words we know our own thoughts - and what we think - and why we think - and how we think) Even so the {thoughts} of God no one knows except the Spirit(the Holy Spirit) of God.


1CO 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world(the cosmis system – the thoughts of satan), but(we have received -) the Spirit who is from God, (why – why did we receive Him?) that we might (that we might what?) know the things freely given to us by God,  -- that’s a reference to salvation and that’s the Holy Spirit acting as a human spirit - so that - the unbeliever can understand spiritual phenomena.


So again - we have received not the spirit of the world - but the Spirit who is from God – the Holy Spirit that is – so that we might know - the things freely given to us by God… that is the gift of God – remember it’s a gift and just like in the human realm -- when we give gifts -- we do not ask for anything back in return.


Salvation has been freely given to us 1CO 2:13 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the(Holy) Spirit, combining spiritual {thoughts} with spiritual {words.}


1CO 2:14 But a natural man(notice a natural minded man – he’s called a “Psuchikos man” which is where we get the word psychology from – it means the natural mind -we’ll see more on that in a second – the natural man -) does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; (because ) for they are foolishness to him, (you talk about the rapture or the angelic conflict to the natural minded person – who doesn’t have a human spirit -and they’re gonna think your nuts – and they’re gonna think your talking about foolishness – they may even laugh and mock -that- we’re gonna be raptured up in the air and disappear from the earth and our clothes are left behind – and they’re gonna remain on earth – it seems foolish to the natural minded man – it doesn’t seem foolish however to the spiritual minded person - because - the spiritual person - believes the bible – and if the bible says it – we believe it – even when it may not make sense to us in the natural realm – so the natural man does not accept the things of God - for they – the things of God - are foolishness to him ) and he cannot understand them, (why?)because they are spiritually appraised.  -- They need to have a spirit that is appraised - in order to evaluate - what they are being taught.


So notice - we have the mind of Christ says verse 16 - and in contrast to this mind – the mind of Christ- I want to point out that Greek word Psuchikos - Psuchikos = soulish, pertaining to the soul or life, pertaining to behavior which is typical of human nature, in contrast with that which is under the control of God’s Spirit (1Cor 2:14).


It describes the natural man who does not possess the Holy Spirit.

We could actually say - It pertains to the natural life of men and animals alike; unspiritual (James 3:15).


In Jude 1:19 psuchikos means worldly-minded and implies that these men follow their natural lusts and appetites without restraint or control.


So - because we have the mind of Christ – which is the mind we have at the moment of salvation – which is how we can understand that - if we believe in the gospel and we believe what the word of God has to say - than we believe exactly - what the bible says is going to happen to us - after salvation.





Now back in Joh 3:4, Nicodemus is serious when he asks, should I then go back to my mother's womb?

He is not being sarcastic here – he is confused and he doesn’t understand.


Again notice what he says in verse 4 Joh 3:4  Nicodemus *said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? (how can he be born again when he is old?) He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?" ---  Jesus could have said – no you fool – your too big for that … and Nicodemus - was a fool btw -that’s what religious people are – fools.


Here is this so-called religious scholar – that’s what he was considered to be - who actually thought - he had to go back into his mother's womb a second time and be born.


Because Religion is the basis for arrogance.  -- Religion is a basis for stupidity in the human race -


Religion is based upon the fact that - man thinks that he can impress God - by his own actions.


If someone were to ask:  What’s the difference between Christianity and religion?(and – we would have to say) Christianity is God doing all the work for us. (----) Religion is man trying to impress God and do the work for God.


There’s a difference – one is God doing all the work -- the other – religion – is man trying to impress God with all the work that he does. –

-- and that is – basically - because of that number one sin – arrogance.


Jerimiah put it like this in: JER 49:16 "The arrogance of your heart has deceived you,"


So many of us have made decisions in our life that are stupid decisions – dumb decisions – and when we look back on them – we can’t even believe - that we made them – but when we realize what was controlling us – arrogance – than we realize - how we were deceived - and how we came to those dumb decisions.


Now, our Lord knew all things.


He knew that Nicodemus was truly searching for the truth and was not being sarcastic. - he was being real.


He also knew that someday Nicodemus would be a pallbearer at His funeral(in a sense), John 19:39.


How do we know that – if you’re in the book of JOH – you can go to JOH 19:39 and look at what Nicodemus did - for our Lord - after our Lord had died in: JOH 19:38  And after these things Joseph of Arimathea, (Joseph was a rich religious leader – many of the religious leaders in the ancient world were very very wealthy- because - they used condemnation and legalism to manipulate people into giving to them ---- in fact in one of the catholic bibles there’s a verse in Tobit chapter 4 verse 11 – Tobit is a book that’s found in the catholic bible – it’s a book that they added to their bible - and in Tobit 4:11 it says – if you give money – your soul can be saved – so they use verses like that - to manipulate people into giving – that’s why they use candles – for the same thing – they actually say – and this is really sad - that members of their family are in a place called purgatory – they are not in hell but they are not in heaven either– it’s like a waiting place – it’s like a bus stop – they call it--- and they are waiting to be taken away from there – that place called purgatory - and that if you light candles for them - and give money with the lighting of the candle – you can actually get them out of that place called purgatory – and into heaven… We know people who have actually done this - and it’s a very sad thing – especially when you see parents doing it for their small children - and they don’t understand or have that peace of mind - that surpasses all other peace – knowing that their loved one is in heaven – in perfect environment – face to face with our Lord – so people who are guilty and feel condemned – religious people who are arrogant - thinking that they can actually buy their way into heaven - and its very very sad but it’s a part of roman Catholisms – religion – and I’m not judging – I’m merely just quoting what their bible says - and what their religion says – so Joseph was a wealthy -religious leader – maybe he got wealthy from religion - maybe he didn’t - but that is what religion does – so Joseph of Arimathea)  being a disciple of Jesus, (he’s now a student of the Lord – but it says – he was what? – a secret disciple) but a secret {one,} for fear of the Jews, (he didn’t want to make his belief known – and he:) asked Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus; and Pilate granted permission. He came therefore, and took away His body.


JOH 19:39 And Nicodemus (here’s Nic now –) came also, who had first come to Him by night;(the first time he came was by night – remember in John 3 and) bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about a hundred pounds {weight}.

That’s to anoint the body - so our Lord would not smell.


JOH 19:40 And so they took the body of Jesus, and bound it in linen wrappings with the spices, as is the burial custom of the Jews.

Once they took that body - they put Him into the tomb - and that’s with - the very same wrappings - that they found when they found Jesus’ body missing – they found His wrappings in the tomb - all folded up – nice job mother Mary btw – she taught her Son some good manners we see here – any mother could appreciate that…


So, To prove to Nicodemus that He was not talking about physical birth but spiritual birth, Jesus used a frame of reference which would be meaningful to a Jewish religious leader, --- (what did He use?) He used water.

And this is going to be the focus of our subject this evening.

Yup – that’s right – were gonna be talking about baptizing…

And I’m going to ask you - to pay special attention because - this subject may even cause some discord in your lives and the church today –

-- I mentioned to you on Sunday – that we often are asked or ask after salvation – what next – well what’s next is -you learn about the spiritual life - and how to live the spiritual life -- and my dad is having us focus in on how to represent what we believe to new believers or even unbelievers -- who may be on the verge of salvation…


In fact – many many times the new believer will ask about being baptized with water – and it’s usually because - they are excited and they think that’s how you show your excitement to God – they think that the water identifies them with God - but that’s not the truth -- that’s not how we show our excitement – we show our excitement by doing what we are doing right now -- we show our excitement by identifying and learning Who He is and What His word is all about – the mind of Christ.


– So we may know the absolutes of these principles - but again – do we know how to explain them to others - who may not know or understand…  our family – friends – loved ones – OUR CHILDREN  -- anyone that presents an opportunity to share the spiritual life with… because   if we are going to be soldiers - in the greatest army to ever exist - than we need to know Who and what we are representing…


The most significant battles - are those that we fight - for what we believe in -- with passion and conviction.


And if we are going to be Christian soldiers – we need to sometimes repeat boot camp … and actually that’s what my dad asked me to change this study name to: Christian soldier boot camp…


Now - back in JOH 3:5 – in response to Nicodemus’ serious question – should I go back into my mother’s womb – we’re going to start to look at the subject of water.


In JOH 3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of (what?) water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Notice the first time He said – you cannot see the kingdom of God – this time He says – now you have to be born of water and the Spirit - and then you can enter into the kingdom of God.

---This is so vital to understand.


---Because you see, -- unfortunately every time some people see the word “water” or the word "baptism" in the Scripture, - they immediately presume that - water is involved in some way.


You talk about baptism to anyone - and immediately they think - that has something to do with water – some people even say -and believe that if you are not baptized with water – you cannot be saved..


-- Why did they called John – John the Baptist - because  he was baptizing people with water - and yet who was baptized before the Lord came on the scene? – No one was.

---No one in the OT was baptized – Moses wasn’t – Abraham wasn’t – Isacc wasn’t – David wasn’t – none of the great prophets - and great teachers of the OT - where ever baptized with water…

-so if you had to be baptized with water to be saved – than none of them could be saved because water baptism doesn’t save anyone – water baptism – as we are going to see – is a ritual.


This is something that our Lord wants for us to understand --- because, In the spiritual realm, it really has nothing to do with water as much as it has to do with the word identification.

When the Lord Jesus Christ says - you have to be born of water - it really has nothing to do with water…


The word baptism doesn’t have anything to do with - the word water - as such – it has to do with the word – “identification”.


For example, there are two categories of identification in Scripture:


 Two categories of identification in Scripture are:

  1. An actual identification is called a real baptism.
  2. A representative identification is called a ritual baptism; which uses water.


Now, There are four real baptisms, meaning something is really identified with something else.


So when the Lord Jesus Christ says - you have to be born of water – He wasn’t saying that you have to be dipped in a tank – this is why we don’t baptize with water because   there is only --- How many baptisms? – ONE baptism – What is that baptism?  -- The baptism of God the Holy Spirit.


Now – we here -are so schooled in this - because our PT has done an incredible job teaching it to us for years.


When we think of baptism – we should not think of water -but we should think of identification.



For example, 1. Real Baptism: In 1Co 10:1-12, the apostle Paul presents the baptism of Moses.


In fact -- the ones who got dipped in that water – died – the Egyptians – remember they went after Moses - they went after the Jews - and God parted the red sea - and the Egyptians and Pharaoh’s army followed them– and they were “baptized” – they were identified with the water but they all drowned… that had nothing to do with the spiritual principle. And absolutely - Nothing to do with salvation –


Look at 1 Corinthians 10:1.


The baptism of Moses - has to do with the people baptizing - or identifying themselves with Moses.


1Co 10:1  For I do not want you to be unaware,(or ignorant) brethren, that our fathers (the Jews)were all under the cloud, (they followed that cloud by the day time – we just saw that this past year with the theophany study) and all passed (not in the sea but:) through the sea;


Notice that They passed through the sea or through the waters which is known as a real baptism.


The Jews identified themselves with Moses – and Moses said follow me  -and they did-

-- they identified with Moses - so they were baptized “into Moses” – “identified with Moses” – had nothing to do with getting wet… the Jews identified themselves with Moses not with physical water.


1CO 10:1  For I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;


1CO 10:2  and all were baptized(where?) into Moses (not into water – but into Moses) in the cloud and in the sea;


1CO 10:3 and all ate the same spiritual food;


1CO 10:4 and (they) all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ.


They were identifying themselves with Christ.


Notice that -- they all -- were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea;


1CO 10:3 and all ate the same spiritual food;


1CO 10:4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ.


This was a real identification in which Moses was identified with the open path through the Red Sea and the Jews were identified with Moses.


Moses said - I’m going to believe God – I’m going to follow the cloud – identify myself with the cloud – TLJC

---and I’m going to identify myself with the sea -- in the sense that - I’m going to have that sea parted – he’s going to part it for us ---and whoever follows me – will be “identified” with me.

---I’m identified with the Lord -Moses says – and you’ll identify with me -- and that is called a baptism – having “nothing” to do with water.

--- again in the sense that -you have to have water to be saved …

--- what if you’re in the desert and there is no water…  you can’t be saved??? NO –

I always reference the thief on the Cross – he couldn’t be anymore greater of an example for us that we - depraved people – do not have to do one thing to have eternal life except to believe on TLJC and that’s why our Lord said – today you will be with me in paradise – the thief wasn’t baptized with water – he didn’t do any good deeds – he didn’t go to church and tithe – he was a convicted thief – condemned to die because he was so guilty and depraved-  he didn’t get dipped in a tank and ascend up a new creature –  no – he simply did one thing – he believed that TLJC was the Son of God – the Messiah – and he simply accepted the fact that he was a sinner - and he needed a Savior.



This is where we get the group called a Baptist church – people say I’m Baptist…why do they say Im Baptist and not Christian? --- what do they make an issue out of? Water…


The real baptism is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ – and than you shall be saved – meaning baptized – identified with Christ into the royal family of God…


So in 1Co 10 - Water was not really involved here, identification was.


The interesting thing about Moses situation is that , Only the unbelievers, the Egyptians, were immersed in the water as a means of death.

--- Only the unbelievers were baptized with that water in the red sea -- and “they died”…


The identification again – is the issue Identification with the mandates of true leadership is the concept here.


----This what Jesus is talking about - when He says to Nicodemus – you have to be born of water.


The problem is that Nicodemus is thinking with human viewpoint in the natural realm – Nicodemus is limiting the limitless God – we can’t limit God --  we have to change our thinking - and that’s what identification is all about… that’s what the spiritual life is about – a different system of thinking –


I don’t know about you – and this is me speaking here for myself… I’m not speaking for my dad - or my husband or DJK - but I bet they would agree with me that:

For me – personally – I always have to be thinking bible doctrine… or else I get lost… -- no - or else I actually feel myself getting sick… it’s an addiction for me – I have an addiction to bible doctrine…

So I thank God for providing us with an exceptional pastor teacher - and I thank God for giving us all the doctrine that we have available here at - because of the faithfulness of those – (many of you all) who paved the way before us – as we pave the way for those behind!



So - again – Nicodemus was thinking in the natural realm with human viewpoint --- however - he is going to see something very interesting --- that has to do with water – and it’s the water of the word -- that is going to challenge him like never before … -

He is going to see - the water of the word…


1PE 1:23 tells us we are saved by means of believing the water of the word – than - will we receive a new nature.


So When Jesus says to Nicodemus unless you are born of water and Spirit -- that’s an identification of the Word of God.

-- – so we believe in the word of God and the Power of the Holy Spirit.


You became saved when you believed the gospel – you believed the Word that was being taught – and that’s when you identified yourself - with the Word - and God the Holy Spirit made it understandable to you.


Nicodemus did not know this but the Holy Spirit is going to teach him just that…



Moses was identified with the cloud or (we could say) with Jesus Christ, (because - Jesus was behind the cloud – and He later ascended into the clouds and He will also come back in the clouds) and the people were identified with Moses.


Now - That’s the first baptism …

In 1Co 10:1-12, -- where the apostle Paul presents the baptism of Moses.

Does it have anything to do with literal water – blessing you spiritually??? -- Absolutely Not -


Then there was 2. Real Baptism: The baptism of the cross which is found in Mark 10:38‑39.

You can turn to Mark 10- if you would like.


Here is when TLJC identified Himself - or baptized Himself with our sins.

-- He identified Himself with us – it’s called the cup of our baptism.

And Jesus actually taught this principle to His disciples in Mark 10:35


In MAR 10:35 (we read)  And James and John, the two sons of Zebedee, *came up to Him, saying to Him, "Teacher, we want You to do for us whatever we ask of You."



MAR 10:36  And He said to them, "What do you want Me to do for you?"


MAR 10:37  And they said to Him, "Grant that we may sit in Your glory, one on Your right, and one on {Your} left." What gall they had – we want to be in charge…


MAR 10:38  But Jesus said to them, "You do not know what you are asking for. Are you able to drink the cup that I drink, or to be baptized with the baptism with which I am baptized?"


What was the baptism? – what was the identification that our Lord had? – it was identification of our sins – becoming a sin offering for us.


MAR 10:39  And they said to Him, "We are able." And Jesus said to them, "The cup that I drink you shall drink; (you’re going to pick up your own cross) and you shall be baptized with the baptism with which I am baptized.

--But He is going to talk about the principle of identification --

Our Lord is actually saying that - no one else could go to the cross - and identify with man's sin - accept Himself.


We are going to have our cross - but it won’t be the same as His cross … - His identification with sin…


This refers to the judicial imputation of personal sins to Jesus Christ on the cross when Jesus Christ was identified with our personal sins and judged for them, so that Christ became our Savior.


As sinners, none of those to whom Christ spoke were qualified to be baptized with sin on the cross.

Why? Because they were all sinners – they couldn’t identify themselves with sin – because -  they were already identified with sin.


– So TLJC said I’m going to identify Myself with your sin - and that’s going to cause Me - to be able to save you.


This 2nd baptism – was water involved here? Again – absolutely not…


And this is important to note because  - when Jesus said you must be born of water – we have to find out if that is literal water or is that in reference to something else.


This brings us the 3rd baptism which again: the third real baptism which has nothing to do with water is 3. Real Baptism: The baptism of the Holy Spirit which occurs at the moment of salvation (for who?) for Church-Age believers only, 1Co 12:13.


Remember 1Co 12:13  For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.


Only Church-age believers could do that? -- Why? --  Because Christ had not yet died for the sins of the world. Christ had not yet fulfilled the payment for sin.


Notice again – that - there is no water involved in this baptism.


This baptism is the means of forming the royal family of God and of breaking the back of the old sin nature as the ruler of human life.


This is when we are positionally changed.

We now became what the bible calls a new creature – ---Why? --- Because we were identified with Him the perfect One – and we were placed in union with Him and this is what we call a real baptism – and No water is involved in this baptism.


We are identified with Christ in His death,(when He died we died in our flesh) burial, (we were buried with our OSN – positionally) and (His) resurrection, (we’ve been raised from the dead positionally right now and someday experientially as well – says -) EPH 4:5; ACT 1:5.


This baptism is when: The Holy Spirit enters us into union with Christ at the right hand of the Father, making us positionally higher than angels.


Then there is the final and fourth baptism, and you DO NOT want to be involved with this baptism!


This is 4. Real Baptism: The baptism of fire (and it) is taught in MAT 3:11; LUK 3:16, REV 20:14-15.



First of all – what does the baptism of fire relate to?

It relates to The Tribulational unbeliever(who) is identified with the defeat of Satan.


(when – when does this take place? when) All unbelievers are removed from the earth for the start of the Millennium.


This is the story behind LUK 3:16  John answered and said to them all, "As for me, I baptize you with water; (that’s literal water – the baptism of John) but One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to untie the thong of His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and (with) fire.


Now – what does that mean? – before the millennial reign starts – the 1000 year kingdom starts – God the Father -takes every unbeliever of the human race - and identifies them with fire – He puts them in the lake of fire – they are going to be in that place of torment.


The baptism of fire is a literal real baptism – it takes place when the unbeliever is identified with fire - and the judgment of God.


All unbelievers are removed from the earth for the start of the Millennium.


So we see that - in these passages, the unbeliever is identified with fire forever.

And we also saw that - No water is involved with any of these 4 Real Baptisms. - we just gave to you.


Now, on the other hand there are also Three Ritual Baptisms.


None of these ritual baptisms - are existing at the present time.


What they were used for was that: They are representative identifications in which water is used as a training aid to represent some principle of doctrine.


Water represents something else in a “ritual baptism”.


The person going into the water must have knowledge of the meaning of the ritual.


That’s why -- if you don’t have knowledge - of the meaning - of the Lords supper – than its meaningless to you –

--and btw – what is the one ritual that our Lord told us to follow?

– it’s what we do ritually every 1st Sunday of the month – Remember Him – celebrate Him – with sharing together in union- our Lord’s supper… that’s the only ritual we are to follow - according to the Word of God.—and so we must have knowledge of that ritual.


The first of these “ritual baptisms” that are no longer for today was 1. Ritual Baptisms: The baptism of John which is found in MAT 3:1‑10; Joh 1:25‑33.  Were going to look at MAT 3 – if you want to turn there.


We are speaking of a man called – John the Baptist and most of know he was the cousin to our Lord Jesus Christ.

John lived in the “Ritual Age of Israel”.  –


--We have 7 baptisms in the bible – 4 of them are Real and dry - 3 of them are Ritual and wet.


In MAT 3:1 Now in those days John the Baptist *came, preaching in the wilderness of Judea, saying,


MAT 3:2 "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."  -- and it was at hand - but they did not repent – they rejected it.


MAT 3:3 For this is the one referred to by Isaiah the prophet, saying,(he’s pointing to the Lord- the Messiah) " The voice of one crying in the wilderness, (that’s him) 'Make ready the way of the Lord, Make His paths straight!


MAT 3:4 Now John himself had a garment of camel's hair, and a leather belt about his waist; and his food was locusts and wild honey.


MAT 3:5 Then Jerusalem was going out to him, (all the Jews) and all Judea, and all the district around the Jordan;


MAT 3:6  and they were being baptized by him in the Jordan River, as they confessed their sins.


Now this time – the water is in view – this is a “wet baptism” The water represented the kingdom of God.


There had to be a ceremony - never used before - to identify a person with the kingdom - because the King was present.

Putting a person in the water (simply) showed that he-she was identified with that kingdom and the King forever.


And btw - It was an encouragement and means of relating doctrine to the fact that the kingdom was being offered during the First Advent.

This was a Jewish person - saying I publicly declare that the kingdom of God is at hand.

– it was encouragement and means of relating God and doctrine to the fact that the kingdom was being offered as the first advent – when Christ came - at the first time.


However – He came into His own and His own what? Received Him not. -- He offered them the kingdom – but they rejected it.


And so - The kingdom was postponed,(this is where the church age comes in)  but this did not change the significance of John's baptism.


There was no spiritual advance in this baptism; - water baptism….

----- ONLY Bible Doctrine advances the believer.


You’re never going to advance in the spiritual life - by performing rituals -like water baptism – only by the Word of God - will we advance in the spiritual life.


This baptism was never practiced after John's death.


John and his ministry and his baptism were unique.


And here is what happened: In the water, the person testified to their belief that the Messiah would go to the cross to die for their sins,(they believed it) recognizing that because they accepted Christ as Savior before He died and accepted Him as King, he or she was saved and identified in the Jewish kingdom forever.


Those that did that are going to be in heaven with us forever and ever.

– the fact of the matter is the majority did not and because  - they did not – He rejected the Jews - and said I am going to now go - to the Gentiles.


The apostle Paul is called the Apostle – not the Jews – but in EPH chapter 3 – Paul is called the apostle to the Gentiles.


Secondly, there was 2. Ritual Baptism: The baptism of Jesus Christ which was unique.

This is when John recognized Jesus Christ's impeccability and refused to baptize Him.

In fact – we just read that – back in MAT 3.


MAT 3:13  Then Jesus *arrived from Galilee at the Jordan {coming} to John, to be baptized by him.


MAT 3:14 But John tried to prevent Him, (John did not want to baptize Jesus) saying, "I have need to be baptized by You, and do You come to me?"


MAT 3:15  But Jesus answering said to him, "Permit {it} at this time; for in this way it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness."(another words – a part of the righteous plan of God) Then he permitted Him.  ---Another words – John did baptize Jesus.


Jesus told him the water represented something new, i.e., the Father's plan and will for His public ministry to go to the cross and receive the personal sins of mankind and be judged.


So, at the beginning of His earthly ministry, - Christ identified Himself with the Father's will.


In the water, Jesus was saying He would go to the cross, and identify with the sins of the entire world, Mat 3:13‑17.



And As He came out of the water, Jesus recognized that when He completed the plan of the Father by being judged for our sins and then dying physically, He would be resurrected, followed by His ascension and session.


Coming up out of the water was a picture of His resurrection.

-- Going into the water was a picture of our Lord’s death.

It was a baptism with water - that represented analogies.


And then finally – there was the third 3. Ritual Baptism: The Christian water baptism which was the ritual testimony of the baptism of the Holy Spirit.


And the principle is that in the early church before the bible was actually finished – they had to have some ritual – or some teaching aid - to teach positional truth.


So they taught for the Christian - or the new believer – that they would be dipped in water – which means they would die to the old man – and be identified with the Lord Jesus Christ - in His death - and then they would ascend -and be picked up from the water - and now they were raised up - out of the water – to identify with resurrection.


This is the only issue -that was solemnly honored -and respected in the Church-age - before the completed canon of scripture.


Because before the bible - they had to have some teaching aid – they didn’t have 1Co 12 -- they didn’t have Romans 6 and Romans 12 -- they didn’t have the books that we have –

--- once we received those books we no longer needed this ritual.


And btw – we just received an enormous amount of information - that took our PT years to study himself in bible college - and we just received it in about 45 minutes…  – now we know about the 7 baptisms of the bible and what they mean –

--  they may not mean much to you right now - but trust me – someday it will… you might need it tomorrow – you might run into someone asking about baptism - and now your schooled in it – and you know how to explain it.



Again - The only ritual left for the Church-age is the Lord's supper.


And - when we celebrate this ritual in our local assembly, - this is exactly what it should be .....a total respect -and honor -and appreciation - for what that ritual is all about.



For example, When the elements are being passed out there ought to be a sacred time of fulfilling what 1CO 11:24 says, a time of remembrance of Him.


Think about Him.

Concentrate on Him.


This means total concentration upon Him, and a fulfillment of ECC 5:1 Guard your steps as you go to the house of God, and draw near to listen rather than to offer the sacrifice of fools; for they do not know they are doing evil.


So, From the beginning of the Church Age until the completion of the Canon, water baptism was necessary to teach the principle of the baptism of the Holy Spirit at salvation.



But once the Canon was completed - this ritual was no longer necessary, -- since the explanation for the baptism of the Spirit is now in writing.

--- Found in the teachings of the cross – found in the teachings of positional truth… - found in the mystery doctrines of the church-age.


The purpose of Jesus Christ on the cross, His resurrection, ascension and session, and the beginning of a new Church Age had to be portrayed with ritual until the Canon was completed.


The point is that Water baptism was used as a training aid for new believers, just as certain temporary spiritual gifts were used to teach until the Canon was completed.


What was the purpose of miracles and healing?

--To gain the focus and attention on the one performing the miracle? --- No – to gain the focus and attention on the message – not the messenger…

-- it’s not the man – it’s the message and our Lord showed us that.


In the water, the believer recognized that he was identified with Jesus Christ in His spiritual death, physical death, and burial, i.e., retroactive positional truth.

I am crucified with Christ – therefore I no longer live.


Identification with His spiritual death meant rejection of good and evil.

What does that mean?? -- When we identify with His spiritual death – we realize that there is nothing good - about us in our flesh - and we believe that we deserve to die but He died in our place.


---When the unbeliever stands before God – the unbelievers are going to be judged before God – not for their sins – but according to their deeds – their works – the very same works - that they thought - were good and pleasing to God - because - they were involved with religion- but they are not pleasing to God because --  they didn’t even believe in God…


Identification with His physical death and burial meant separation from good and evil.


In the Church-age, before the completed canon, the coming out of the water was recognition of being identified with Christ as He is now seated at the right hand of the Father, i.e.,(which is called-) current positional truth.


This is another reason why the apostle Paul tells the Corinthians he stopped using water baptism because it was a means of dividing believers, 1Co 1.  and it still is today.


This is one of the kingdom of darkness’ greatest tactics – use religion to confuse and divide people.


In 1CO 1:11(Paul says) For I have been informed concerning you, my brethren, by Chloe's   {people,} that there are quarrels among you.


1CO 1:12 Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, "I am of Paul," and "I of Apollos," and "I of Cephas," and "I of Christ."


1CO 1:13 Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?


1CO 1:14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, (if water baptism was so important – why in the world – would Paul say I thank God I baptized none of you?)

1CO 1:15 that no man should say you were baptized in my name.


1CO 1:16 Now I did baptize also the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized any other.


Why Paul? 1CO 1:17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, that the cross of Christ should not be made void.


Don’t dismiss or add to the work of our Lord ‘s cross.



So Before Romans 6 and 1Co 12 were written to explain the baptism of the Spirit and identification with Christ in His death, burial and resurrection -- water baptism was used to represent what had happened at salvation to those who did not yet have the completed Canon of scripture.


So, it was very important that - the apostles of the early church had to get it right before they taught it.


The point is that Our Lord had to deal with the subject of water indefinitely just like today many believers have to deal with water baptism.


For even today many Christians quote verses like Act 2:38 and say you have to baptized, misquoting and forgetting 1Pe3, WHERE THOSE WHO WERE baptized or WET, DIED.


They quote Act 2:38  And Peter {said} to them, "Repent, and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.


Was that true? Yes – but the book of Acts is a transitional book – it takes us from the old testament to the new testament -  it’s a transitional book – in fact my dad gets very leery when any one representing him and this ministry - teach on the book of Acts.


A lot of the things found in the book of Acts - were just for the early church - before the bible was completed.


For example – if someone touched the handkerchief of Paul – they could be healed… that’s not going to happen today – this was only given for the purpose to gain attention to the message…


Why was water used in  MAT 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,


Water was used in the early church to give credibility to the Lord Jesus Christ and His message.


They quote these verses but they forget about the doctrine of dispensations and what the book of Acts is all about, which was again -a transitional book.

Now - this is where we will close – with JOH 3 and 1PE 3


This is why our Lord said to Nicodemus in John 3

JOH 3:3 Jesus responded and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless someone is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”


JOH 3:4 Nicodemus *said to Him, “How can a person be born when he is old? He cannot enter his mother’s womb a second time and be born, can he?”


JOH 3:5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.


JOH 3:6 That which has been born of the flesh is flesh, and that which has been born of the Spirit is spirit.


JOH 3:7 Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’


And why did He say - the water referred to the word of God?


Because of what Peter said in 1PE 3:23 for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable, but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.



Now, I am going to close with a poem that my dad read to us in closing with this message from 2014 - and here it is:

















Do not ever put God in a box and limit the limitless God!


As always - it is my humble honor and privilege - to be here with you - fighting the good fight of faith - and learning to live for Him -together in union - as the body of Christ.

Thank you Royal Family!



























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